“P.S. We regret to inform you that
we do not accept any more 9/11 stories.”–OpEdNews Administrator
Barbara Olson
Dean Hartwell, J.D., who is
well-known to readers of Veterans Today–most recently for his fine article,
“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What
happened to Flight 93?”–submitted a very straightforward piece to OpEdNews,
which is edited by Rob Kall. OpEdNews,
along with The Huffington Post and The Daily Kos, counts as one of the
relatively few forums that publish “progressive” or “left-wing” articles and
opinion pieces, which has taken a heavy hit with the sale of The Huffington
Post to aol.
I have dealt with Rob Kall in the past, since, before I became a
columnist for Veterans Today, I had already published more than 40 articles on
OpEdNews, including these on 9/11:
Tuesday, April 22, 2008
9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda
(36 comments) The anti-war
movement and the 9/11 truth movement should be more closely linked, since
exposing the truth about 9/11 destroys the justification for those wars. Here
is a summation of his remarks by the Founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth,
presented during a “Freedom Rally” on 15 April 2008 in Washington, D.C., to
honor Ron Paul. When it comes to 9/11, however, Ron Paul himself doesn’t have a
clue.
Tuesday, July 29, 2008
New Proof of Video Fakery on 9/11
(6 comments) The strongest proofs
of video fakery on 9/11 appear to be that United 175 is traveling at an
impossible speed for its altitude; that the entry into the South Tower with no
debris is physically impossible; that this occurs in uniform motion in
violation of Newton’s laws; that the Naudet brothers’
video of AA 11 reveals “cut outs” being created by secondary explosions and
that the Evan Fairbank’s video displays similar problems.
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
Is 9/11 Research “Anti-Semitic”?
(22 comments) Attacks upon 9/11
research have reached an extreme point where FOX host Glenn Beck has gone so
far as to claim the 9/11 truth movement is a threat to the national security of
the US. Comparisons with Holocaust deniers are rampant. Yet there is no basis
for that analogy and the only “threat” to national security is the one posed by
exposing 9/11 as having been “an inside job”, for which there is extensive and
powerful proof.
Monday, September 7, 2009
More 9/11 Rubbish: This time from
National Geographic, no less
(5 comments) The National
Geographic Channel’s recent, “9/11: Science and Conspiracy”, is a blatant
attempt to suppress and distort objective data that contradicts the official
account. Its major arguments—related to the melting of steel, the controlled
demolition of the Twin Towers, the use of thermite to bring them down, and the
Boeing 757 hit at the Pentagon—were based upon fallacies I spent 35 years
teaching students to avoid.
Friday, January 22, 2010
Birds of a Feather: Subverting the
Constitution at Harvard Law
(1 comments) Cass Sunstein and
Adrian Vermuele of the Harvard School of Law advocate
restrictions on the First Amendment to preclude discussion of conspiracies.
They have recommended that JFK assassination researchers and 9/11 truth groups
should be infiltrated by government agents to subvert them and provoke them
into violations of the law for which they might be arrested. They are opposing
conspiracy theories by advocating a conspiracy.
Dean’s Letter of Rejection
It therefore came as somewhat of a
surprise when Dean Hartwell informed me that an article of his about 9/11,
“Where is the Proof of 9/11 Passengers?”, had been rejected and that, decidedly
more surprisingly, he had been informed that OpEdNews was no longer accepting
stories about 9/11. We have all receive
letters of rejection before, but the basis for this one did not appear to have
to do with the stated reason, “This article does not report or discuss anything
that we consider new or that presents a different perspective”, which was
clearly not the case. Discussions of this issue, like the absence of proof any
of those “hijackers” were aboard any of those planes and the presence of proof
that all of those “phone calls” were faked, including from Barbara Olson to her
husband, Ted, then Solicitor General of the United States, have been few and
far between, where some of them have even been published by OpEdNews. But the
real reason for its rejection appears to have been given in the postscript,
namely, that OpEdNews is no longer publishing stories about 9/11:
Dean’s 9/11 articles at OpEdNews
Indeed, Dean Hartwell, it turns
out, has published even more articles with OpEdNews than have I–some 65 at last
count–including at least five about 9/11, Flight 93 and the reports about its
having landed in Cleveland, which is a fascinating dimension of 9/11 research,
but the very clear and succinct fashion in which Dean, who has a background in
the law, lays out the case for what it would take to refute the prima facie
case that the passengers who were alleged to have died on 9/11 appear to be
fabrications is most certainly not something that OpEdNews has ever addressed,
which, considering the importance of 9/11 as the pivotal event of the 21st
Century, it surely ought to have published in the interests of truth and of the
American people. His previous articles
with OpEdNews thus included the following:
Saturday, September 4, 2010
9/11 Passengers Landed in
Cleveland
(5 comments) I continue to
research passengers seen in Cleveland on 9/11/01 who have never been officially
accounted for. Are they a missing link to finding the truth about that day? I
think so and I will continue to write more on this subject.
Sunday, August 1, 2010
Road to 9/11 Truth Goes through
Cleveland
(5 comments) This is an executive
summary of a longer essay which contends that planes and passengers wound up in
Cleveland on 9/11. There were no hijackers but instead a big lie by the
plotters, who forgot to hide from public view the “smoking gun” of the crime:
200 passengers who were seen that day but never again.
Sunday, June 20, 2010
Can the 9/11 Truth Community
Handle the Truth?
(7 comments) This article
challenges those who seek the truth about 9/11 to quit the name calling and
work together to wake the public about what really happened. Like a baseball
team, different people in the community have different skills they should use
to help. (Bickering isn’t one of them!)
Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Don’t Let Pentagon Tragedy Blind
You into Scapegoating Innocent
(3 comments) The man who shot at
two guards at the Pentagon recently was a reported by the media as a 9/11
Truther, a sufferer of bipolar disorder and a marijuana user. But in terms of
real news, the media struck out. Here is why.
Thursday, February 18, 2010
Let the People Decide the Truth
about 9/11
(14 comments) If there is any
chance the government is involved in a crime, there is no reason to allow it to
investigate it. The solution to getting the truth about 9/11 and other
government-assisted conspiracies is let the experts present their case to the
public and let us vote.
Indeed, the last of these even
appears on his author’s page with a symbol with which OpEdNews should agree:
Thursday, February 18, 2010
Let the People Decide the Truth
about 9/11
(14 comments) If there is any
chance the government is involved in a crime, there is no reason to allow it to
investigate it. The solution to getting the truth about 9/11 and other
government-assisted conspiracies is let the experts present their case to the
public and let us vote.
The case of Noam Chomsky
Rob Kall, who is the is executive
editor, publisher and site architect of OpEdNews.com, Host of the Rob Kall
Bottom Up Radio Show (WNJC 1360 AM), President of Futurehealth,
Inc, and who also publishes regularly on the Huffingtonpost.com, according to
his own OpEdNews contributor’s page, is hardly the most prominent or the best
known public figure to assume the role of a left-wing 9/11 gatekeeper. Amy Goodman, for example, hosted a single
debate about 9/11 and then, no doubt considering her civic duty to have been
fulfilled, let it go. Interestingly,
Geraldo Rivera has been on both sides of 9/11, initially harshly rejecting
those pursuing 9/11 truth, subsequently offering an apology and acknowledging
that there are reasons to regard what we have been told with suspicion–an issue
to which he has not since returned. But
no one has been in the category of Noam Chomsky, long lionized as the leading
left-wing public intellectual in the world today. And there are reasons to doubt that is his
true persona:
YouTube - Veterans Today -
What I especially like about this
brief, 7-minute interview, is that when I explain what Chomsky has said about
the assassination of JFK and about 9/11, the video shifts to showing Chomsky
making exactly the remarks that I have attributed to him. For those who have any doubts about his role
as a gate-keeper, notice that Chomsky dismisses any conspiracy in the
assassination on the grounds that, even if there had been one, it was of no
account, because it did not involved an major policy
questions, as though JFK’s directive to pull our advisors out of Vietnam, steps
he was taking to reform or abolish the FED, his decisions not to invade Cuba
and to sign an above-ground test ban treaty with the Soviet Union, his remarks
about “shattering the CIA into a thousand pieces”, and the Attorney General’s
aggressive crack-down on organized crime–the first time in our history– were
not major policy issues!
YouTube - Veterans Today -
In the longer interview with Paula
Gloria on “Down the Rabbit Hole”, which runs less than 30 minutes, I take the
opportunity to explain in addition why even Chomsky’s legendary linguistic
theory, which maintains that humans have an innate, inborn syntax that is
species-specific and common to every person, cannot be sustained, where other
scholars have suggested instead that syntax is an emergent property of semantic
complexity: as we acquire more and more
names for things and predicates for their properties, we need principles of
organization to make clear what we are talking about by means of nouns,
pronouns, adjectives and adverbs. But if
that approach is correct, as I argue in The Evolution of Intelligence: Are
Humans the Only Animals with Minds? (2005) and elsewhere, then Chomsky is not
only wrong about JFK and 9/11 but is not even right about his greatest claim to
fame.
The Article OpEdNews Rejected
9/11 has been used to justify wars
of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq, which have taken the lives of perhaps
1,000,000 Iraqis and an estimated 3,000 coalition fatalities for the sake of
oil, Israel and ideology, as I have explained in my first 9/11 article for
OpEdNews, “9/11 and the Neo-Con Agenda”, which ameriafirstbooks
has published in a version accompanied by political cartoon art. It has also been used to justify the
suppression of civil rights here in the United States through the passage of
the grossly misnamed PATRIOT ACT, the Military Commissions Act, and more
recently NDAA for 2012, which Dennis Cimino and I discussed here at VT, which
OpEdNews subsequently accepted but then pulled from its pages. If there is a more important issue that
deserves public discussion, I cannot imagine what that would be. For any forum for public debate to cut off
articles and studies that focus on 9/11 is simply outrageous–and I personally
find it stunning that Rob Kall, whom I have previously admired, would follow
Noam Chomsky to the Dark Side, which is powerfully exemplified by his decision
to suppress submissions on 9/11 and to reject Dean’s article, which you can now
read here for yourself:
Where is the Proof of 9/11
Passengers?
by Dean Hartwell, J.D.
I have written a series of
articles about the alleged planes and passengers of 9/11:
“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What
Happened to Flight 93?” (with Jim Fetzer)
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/15/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flight-93/
“The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What
Happened to Flights 175, 77 and 11?”
http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/the-911-passenger-paradox-what-happened-to-flights-175-77-and-11.html
“Where the 9/11 Passengers Went
after Landing in Cleveland”
http://deanhartwell.weebly.com/1/post/2012/04/where-the-911-passengers-went-after-landing-in-cleveland.html
To summarize these articles:
The alleged Flights 77 and 11 were
never scheduled and never flew.
Flights 93 and 175 did not crash
at Shanksville or the World Trade Center but instead flew to the Cleveland
airport.
Though some of the names we have
been given as passengers were the names of real people (such as Barbara Olson),
most of the passengers used false identities.
The “passengers” were really
agents of the plotters, who gave fake pictures to the media for most of the
passengers.
The agents helped with the cover
story in Cleveland and subsequently went to their next assignments.
The agents themselves served as
the grieving relatives of the “passengers.”
How can this theory be challenged?
Real relatives of those alleged to
be on the plane could tell us how they gave rides or otherwise saw off
passengers at the airport gate (which people could do then). They could show pictures or newspaper
articles of the passengers before 9/11.
Devil’s Advocate: The stories of going to the airport could be
made up. Pictures and newspaper articles
may refer to someone else with the same name.
A real relative could speak up and
acknowledge having doubts about the official story and demand to know what
happened to their family member.
Devil’s Advocate: Some believe that Ellen Mariani,
widow of an alleged passenger on Flight 175, did just that by filing a lawsuit
against the United States government and some of its representatives. She is apparently the only relative to sue in
such a manner. By doing so, and give up
the money offered by the government to relatives, she certainly stands out.
In her suit, she blamed the Bush
administration for failing “to protect and defend against the preventable
attacks based upon substantial intelligence known to Defendant GWB prior to
‘9/11’ which resulted in the death of Plaintiff’s husband and thousands of
other innocent victims on ‘9/11.’”
In other words, she supported the
basic structure of the official theory that “terrorists” hijacked the planes
and killed the passengers. As Carol
Valentine pointed out, if this lawsuit were to succeed, “there will be no more
9/11 plaintiffs to bring suits and no more chance for honest discovery. The
Mother of All Conspiracy Theories, the suicide pilot fable, will be set in
stone.”
The relatives’ families have had the
opportunity to act like families of people who have lost someone. Typically, if there is any shred of doubt as
to what happened, the relatives of victims press to find out the truth. They read up on the subject and would surely
know by now the crash scenes were faked.
They are the best evidence that there were no true passengers on 9/11.
Jim Fetzer, a former Marine Corps
officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth
and the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
Dean T. Hartwell is the author of
Planes without Passengers: The Faked Hijackings of 9/11 (2011), which is the
bestseller in large-print history on amazon.com.
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“Left-wing
9/11
Gatekeepers:
From
Noam
Chomsky
to
Rob
Kall?”
Brian
April 27, 2012 - 10:14 am
A few days after I posted two links to articles which provide evidence
the Mossad did 911 in the comments section of a Rob Kall article at OpEdNews he
banned me from logging in at OpEdNews. He did not respond to my email. Rob Kall
is Jewish and I’m glad he allows criticism of Israel regarding the Palestinians
but perhaps he won’t tolerate people spreading the news that Jewish Israelis
did 911.
Garibaldi
April 27, 2012 - 1:35 pm
Brian, why not just send Rob this link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h54wMerA1G4
Who knows, he might want to run with a
Jewish hero, and to prove your own case, it should be all the proof you need.
Debbie Menon
April 27, 2012 - 11:27 pm
@Garibaldi
And Brian how about sending him this youtube
:
http://mycatbirdseat.com/2012/02/911-and-israel-exclusive-interview-dr-alan-sabrosky/
He might run this with an
American-Jewish hero, who expresses his Jewish identity in cuisine, not foreign
policy!
Ann
April 27, 2012 - 10:31 am
CeeCee Lyles was a real person, a real wife, a
real mother, and a real flight attendant. The perverts who run this country
made her a real hostage, a real pawn, and a real murder victim. She was a
former detective and left clues on her last phone call to her real husband. He
spoke about the call and the oddities surrounding it. Her ID papers were found
at the site to bolster the forced phone call. Did you look into it?
Capt. Burlingame was a real person, a real husband and father, and a
real former fighter pilot. His real daughter paid with her very real life for
recognizing early on that the whole thing was anything but real. Have you
looked into either of them?
There was another real NYC employee whose name escapes me at the moment,
who spotted the lies and went public. He suddenly and really died of
undisclosed reasons and soon afterwards a van pulled up to his real NYC home
and moved his family to an undisclosed location.
Just because you don’t know of any victims does not mean they do not
exist. They were pawns used in another fabricated atrocity to justify another
war. It also means that the perverts have been at this for a long time and
deceit is second nature to them, and that they routinely plan and participate
in things that you would not dare imagine to be real.
So it only stands to reason that the victims have been disposed of in
such a way that they will never be found and used to implicate the killers. As
for their families, they may have been bought off or threatened, or both. Real
people were used as pawns and killed by the same perverts who control the
media, infest every institution of government, and obstruct official inquiries,
so of course you can’t locate anything. They started the evidence clean-up on
9-12. They know that as long as there is no body there is no murder. Don’t
assist them by believing their depraved lies.
Stewart Ogilby
April 27, 2012 - 11:12 am
Ann – Your well informed comment is
most impressive. You have obviously done your homework and I must ask how you
determined, other than through media and online sources, the fact that Ms Lyles was a real person. Please do not assume that I
doubt you. I really would appreciate knowing precisely how deeply you have
personally investigated this subject. Your work on the Burlingame’s would also
be appreciated. The NYC employee to whom you refer is Barry Jennings who, as
you know, gave a televised interview on 911 referring to walking over bodies
when exiting building #7 earlier in the day. I assume you have also personally
investigated Mr. J and I would be grateful for your references. My contact
information is on my personal page at http://wisebird.com Thank you, in
advance, for giving me your help in this important matter.
Ann
April 27, 2012 - 8:19 pm
Stewart, we all know that 911 was a
murderous hoax to trigger a war in the Middle East. We know that no planes hit
the WTC. We are all trying to piece the crime together. The most baffling part
is what happened to the passengers and it is there where we all seem to differ
the most.
Homework- as a generality I try to
keep an open mind when I read, whether or not I have doubts about the source.
There could be one valuable piece of information buried in what could be
otherwise ruled out.
When I first heard of CLyles I simply followed the story. Without much effort I
found the video statement from her husband (it might still be on youtube unless
the cowardly perps took it down), saw the statue in her honor in her hometown,
and heard the recording of her voice on the machine where it was left before
her husband answered the phone. I could be wrong but I strongly suspect that
she and the other crew and passengers were taken hostage by perps who were also
on the plane, using aliases which is why they are so hard to find. Not that I
have done it but her employment records alone could confirm or rule out her
existence.
The planes’ schedules, actual
flights, or lack thereof would not distract me, for those are just records that
the perps could have altered them to their own gain. Pulling off a stunt as
massive as 911 required extensive planning, and subverting computer information
would not be so difficult for them. As I have mentioned here more often than
anyone cares to remember, the First World War was planned 20 years earlier, and
among others required the complicity of Pres. Wilson, Secy
Agriculture Hoover, and Secy Navy FDR who knowingly
participated. Yet try to convince the average American that all three were
miscreants and traitors. That information is readily available yet few can get
past it, for the truth is too terrible. The 911 reactions are similar–the
information is hiding in plain sight.
Capt. Burlingame – same as CLyles. His military and employment records could confirm
his existence. I do not have work on him per se, again, I followed the story
which yielded considerable information. His daughter’s death was covered in
local newspapers at the time. Again, not that I have done it but I am sure the
police and fire department records would be more precise. Assuming, of course,
that the perps have not destroyed them for that very reason. If they can murder
in great numbers without a thought then they can do what they please with
official records.
I did not investigate Mr. Jennings (
thanks for reminding me of his name) but he died very suddenly and no one seems
to know details. That alone is worth an investigation. Some radio personality,
I think Alex Jones, hired someone to find out but that came to an ominous end.
My take? I think that when Mr. Jenning mentioned
bodies he became a threat to the perps and their alibi, because those bodies
were alive shortly before his walking on them. Who were they? How were they all
murdered so quickly in one place? If he had the time, he might have remembered
something critical, but the perps were already cleaning up lose
ends and he was one. He was a NYC employee and a crime witness who dies without
reason and he has no death certificate? Are you kidding me?
We all agree that John O’Neill was
the FBI agent who was killed in the WTC. His body was not recovered yet there
is no doubt that he was there and murdered. And yes, I consider this crime to
be one of mass murder. If O’Neill was in the tower and never seen again, and we
assume he was murdered, why are the others ruled out as murder victims?
The other problem is that the crime
is looked at as a whole instead of individual threads, files, bios, etc.
Different people see different things, all pieces of the puzzle. I have seen
comments here stating that the towers were empty and yet the buildings’
security footage caught the firemen ascending the stairs as the tenants were
walking down. What kind of thinking produces such statements? If there is
confusion it is because our overlords want it so. They are good at this so it
is unrealistic to think it will be solved anytime soon. We are all still at the
gathering stage but it will become more difficult with time and memory, and
because the perps have the capability to alter computers. A high school hacker
could do considerable damage, so why not a government kook who does it for a
living.
Not that I would rely on the
Langley dunces for the time of day, but if there are more than a few of them
who actually consider themselves loyal Americans they should be able to
research the last few weeks of the above mentioned. We’ve spent a fortune in
taxes training the little darlings, here’s their chance to prove they’re
qualified. This crime will eventually be solved, but not for a while.
Basically, I think we differ in
approach, but it is imperative to treat all information carefully, and confirm
the smallest and seemingly insignificant details whenever possible.
Jim Fetzer
April 27, 2012 - 1:42 pm
Ann,
We greatly appreciate your anguish and
concern but something is wrong with everything we have been told about 9/11.
Please bear in mind that we are writing against a background of research on the
alleged 9/11 flights, where two of them, Flight 11 and Flight 77, were not even
scheduled that day and the planes associated with the other two, Flight 93 and
Flight 175, were not even deregistered by the FAA until 28 September 2005. But
how can planes that were not in the air have crashed on 9/11 or planes that
crashed on 9/11 have still been in the air four years later?
Moreover, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has
studied ground/air communications and has determined that Flight 93 was in the
air that day but over Urbana, IL, at the time it was supposed to have been
crashing in Shanksville and that Flight 175 was also in the air but over
Pittsburgh, PA, at the time it was filmed entering the South Tower. Evidence of
the fabrication of all four crash sites is abundant and compelling. See
“Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery’”, “The official account of the 9/11
Pentagon crash is a fantasy”, “The 9/11 Passenger Paradox: What happened to
Fight 93?”, and “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case of Rob
Balsamo”, all published here on Veterans Today.
Charlotte NC Bill
April 27, 2012 - 4:32 pm
Dr
Fetzer’s been doing some good work…Just watching the plane go in and seeing the
tip of the plane coming out the other side unscathed is too remarkable too
disregard…We’re getting into things that are hard to prove here but as Holmes
would say; ” when you exclude the impossible, whatever is left must be what
happened”…..Why the hell would that Zio-rat Katz say that his team was ” sent
there to document the event..” Why throw out a half-assed explanation unless
they and the other teams were doing even MORE than that? I think we’re getting warm…..
Ann
April 27, 2012 - 8:46 pm
Jim, First of all, I appreciate
your work on this treasonous coup inflicted on our country. And yes, I agree
that we were fed ghastly lies which led us into war, a filthy game our
overlords have done since 1898. I do not believe planes hit the towers, nor the
other two sites. However I think that the perps had taken control of the
computers long before that day and used planes as a cover story. Which is not
to say that the flights in question did or did not fly.
There is no easy way to solve this
anytime soon, it is far too big and had too many domestic and foreign perps
working day and night to commit the crime. They did not think it would fall
apart as soon as it did, otherwise they would have been even more sadistic.
There must have been many more who participated unknowingly, and others who
tried to talk and were murdered. But I believe that crews and passengers did
exist, although the correct details still evade us. The flight records are one
thing, and the crew/passenger records are another.
deanhartwell
April 27, 2012 - 12:34 pm
Ann,
You wrote “Just because you don’t know any of the victims does not mean
they do not exist.” I merely said that “…some of the names we have been given
as passengers were the names of real people.”
As for CeeCee Lyles and Capt. Burlingame,
then, they may have been real people. I have heard the alleged last phone call
by Lyles on YouTube. It could have been her calling or it could have been
someone pretending to be her.
I do not know what happened to Capt. Burlingame. However, that does not
necessarily make it true that he died in the manner we are told that day.
If the Tillman family, who lost Patrick Tillman to mysterious
circumstances in battle in 2004, can be vocal in demanding the truth about
Patrick’s death, why wouldn’t the “victim families” here do the same?
Charlotte NC Bill
April 27, 2012 - 4:14 pm
Good point…Of course, the 9-11 Victim’s
Comp fund comes with stipulations that make it a “take the money and go
away-aka hush money-fund..” Chomsky’s case is easy…He’s a socialist
“anti-Zionist zionist” And he, like most
well-informed people, have come to the obvious conclusion that 9-11 was ordered
by the Rothschilds and carried out by Israel in collusion with the intelligence
agencies of the US and UK with assistance fm their
sayanim assets and agents in country..incl the
media…And, of course, when push comes to shove Chomsky stands with his tribe
against the American people!
Jim Fetzer
April 27, 2012 - 5:07 pm
Actually, a member of Scholars back
in 2006 sent me a study of the 19 “phone callers” from those four planes and
reported that, in relation to the Social Security Death Index, exactly ONE of
their names appeared, and that, in relation to the Survivors Fund, NONE of
their survivors had received money. I think it is unAmerican
not to accept free money from your government, which made me suspicious; and
now that we know so much more about the fabrication of the crash sites, the
situation has gone far beyond suspicious to actually proving that the
government has been perpetrating the “big lie” of 9/11.
Ann
April 27, 2012 - 9:10 pm
Dean, the passengers that day were the
pawns who were used and murdered to trigger a war. All I’m saying is to prove
or rule out their existence before stating as much. As for Tillman, yes his
family is vocal but notice their absence on the news. The last thing the perps
want is factual confirmation of their crimes. I don’t know where the other
families are, has anyone spoken to Mr Lyles since his
earlier interviews? Maybe he was threatened. Our overlords are quite capable of
murder and worse.
When April Gallop was hospitalized she
was visited and questioned by suits she never saw again. When she brought a
lawsuit against the perps it wasn’t even covered by the media, and most
Americans had no idea it was in progress. There is a real effort to gag the
truth and they have been successful for the most part, although their story is
crumbling. There are too many loose ends to be written off as coincidental or
bogus.
deanhartwell
April 28, 2012 - 10:24 am
Ann,
The assertion that given passengers
existed is not at all likely to be provable. False records can be created and
placed online. “Relatives” could easily make up stories or steal identities.
Public figures like Barbara Olson can “disappear” for a while, etc.
I have suggested the approach of
asking what real relatives of victims would do – such as going to the arrival
airports (see the “9/11 Passenger Paradox: What Happened to Flight 93″
by Jim Fetzer and me linked at start of article), questioning authority after
catching it in a lie (like the Tillmans who made their
case loud enough for me to hear, like the families of the “Liberty” attack by
the Israelis, etc.) and simply refusing to give up. They should be just as
determined as you and I to get the truth.
If a relative had truly died, what
would one care about threats against getting the truth? Such a person would
already be marked.
My efforts are simply an
improvement of my earlier hypotheses. Getting feedback is very important to me
so thank you.
Charlotte NC Bill
April 27, 2012 - 4:21 pm
Chomsky’s case is easy: He knows that 9-11 was ordered by the
Rothschilds ( that’s right it’s time to grab the pitchforks and storm the
castle ) and carried out by Israel in collusion with the intelligence agencies
of the US and UK along with assistance fm their
sayanim agents and assets on the ground and in the media…www.rediscover911.com
covers this well…Chomsky knows where not to go…And that goes for Amy good for
not much Goodman and Rachel Maddow and Randi Rhodes and all the rest..
Chris
April 27, 2012 - 5:31 pm
No doubt he knows of Israel/US
involvement in carrying out 9/11. I personally talked to him about 9/11 and it
was like pulling teeth. The man knows how to talk in circles, thats for sure. Hes a perfect
example of controlled opposition.
Amy Goodman is a joke, with her staged
9/11 debate with the Loose Change kids versus Popular Mechanics hatchet men.
Talk about a WWE pro wrestling style set up.
Charlotte NC Bill
April 27, 2012 - 4:26 pm
Ooops sorry for the double…didn’t go through
at first…deanhartwell makes a good point…If flt 77 didn’t fly into the Pentagon it would take wild
horses and guns to keep me fm searching for the
truth…It would take a platoon to keep me fm digging
into flt 93 if my wife was on it..I
did some work in a woman’s house on LI that benefited fm
the VCF and, to put it mildly, seemed to be enjoying her mourning period…
Allen L Roland
April 27, 2012 - 4:44 pm
Rob Kall is a lightweight running a Vanity Press that mainly features himself
and is generally laughed at and ridiculed. He even charges his authors to have
access to their page reads ~ which is one of the reasons I stopped writing for
OpEd News as a trusted author a few years ago. Chomsky, on the other hand, is a
left wing heavyweight who bears watching and still packs a punch.
Chris
April 27, 2012 - 5:34 pm
Yeah, when hes
not saying “it doesnt matter who killed JFK” and hes not reaffirming the official and monstrous lies of 9/11
hes not half bad.
I like the bulk of what Chomsky has to
say but I will never give him a pass precisely because he IS a leftwing
heavyweight with real sway among a segment of the population. And instead of
being a man and being honest about the biggest of lies that keeps on giving to
the warmongers in power, he furthers that lie.
Gordon Duff
April 29, 2012 - 11:36 pm
Allen,
You and I do a fair amount of radio and
TV. I am not a writer, I run a series of defense companies that work in
intelligence. I have the broadest access of anyone in print.
Having said that, and having a career
of over 40 years, some of it totally wasteful, thank you very much, I find I
tend to win debates as you note, make predictions that tend to actually happen
and have fun doing it.
I am pretty much at the end of my
patience with phony alternative journalism. This is why VT withdrew from that
game.
When I see the term “gatekeeper” I
laugh. I have had Israel/9/11 confirmations first hand from Israeli intel
officers.
Our articles on ‘mini nukes” at the WTC
were confirmed from the Pentagon yet some things….we will have to wait for.
Do know this, intelligence agencies
read VT, read your articles, and find them beyond the output of their best
people.
I don’t know what to say about Rob. I
like some of the work there but the ‘gatekeeper’ aspect is clear as day.
For me, I just don’t want his audience.
We are going to stick to dealing with professionals, cut our numbers, up our
game, up our standards, and no longer play with the kids.
We did pick up one of Murdoch’s papers,
which I am wondering what to do with. Maybe Rob mighty want to work with that
though it is primarily international coverage.
Allen L Roland
April 30, 2012 - 12:39 am
I believe you mean Rob, Gordon .~
not Bob. I like your style, Gordon ~ which is one of the reasons I love writing
for VT.
Detlef Reimers
April 27, 2012 - 5:25 pm
Mr. Fetzer, you always work very hard, to arguing very precicely, justifying and proving every little piece in
your articles. Sometimes I get the feeling while reading: what is it good for,
if the other side doesn’t care at all?
Controlled opposition is very easy to handle, if you can be sure you’re
completely backed up by all your “nice fellows” around at several places.
Arguing against this fake/fradulent setup is nearly
impossible, because mostly nobody wants to read all the long sentences and
follow the sophisticated argumentation.
This crowd of people, coming from different perspectives and backgrounds
– founded on a hidden but powerful agenda, will – in public – always win. But
they lie – each one of them – in his/her own peculiar way. Their media appereance is well calculated, not a single word too much
is said, they work together very coercive, arguments are passed through the
discussion in a gated and circular way, protecting everything completely
against “outsiders” or opponents.
Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and so many others do their daily part in
throwing tiny peaces of truth into the debates of
mostly not so important issues, while at the same time completely shut down any
real discussion or arguing of main points.
This is part of the rigged game, they play. We all had time enough over
the years to watch this unfold into the open, now it should be clear for
everyone.
Compromises and pseudo-diplomatic and verbally sophisticated forms of
argumentation cannot distract the well or even better informed listener/reader
from the fact, that most of this is a well calculated and interpersonally
organized form of “both-side inherent mind control game”, where each one plays
his/her part, no one steps out of their role.
Mr. Fetzer, to my opinion you are completely right with your arguments.
But “they” don’t care – they don’t have to and we all know too well, why!
Jim Fetzer
April 27, 2012 - 6:31 pm
Detlef,
Thank you for this brilliant and
insightful post. I have learned and continue to experience the modus operandi
you describe. It helps me to stay on an even keel to know there are thoughtful
souls like you out there who understand all too well what has been and
continues to go on.
Warm regards,
Jim
DaveE
April 28, 2012 - 11:12 am
Well put, Detlef. An ideology is a
framework on which a person hangs the pieces of their life. For reasons I can’t
comprehend, people need to think they have all the answers, already, so they
can get through the day and give themselves easy answers to every problem that
may arise, without expending too much mental energy.
Thinking independently of one’s
built-in biases is a constant struggle for most people, if they even want to
try. Most do not. Education helps, as it helps to realize there are myriad
competing ideologies providing “answers” to any of the big questions; birth,
death, the afterlife, perceptions, wisdom, economics, engineering, you name it.
But education is not the answer, either, by itself. Overly educated people are
often the most shallow, ideological and biased of all. Often, regurgitating
endless jargon or trivia becomes a substitute for critical thinking.
We live in an age of TOO MUCH
information. The trick is learning what to ignore and perhaps an “ideology” is
an easy way to avoid having to process too much “noise”!
Anyway, thanks for work, Jim, Dean, Ann
and all. I think you all are getting warm, even if I don’t weigh all the
evidence you (and so many others) have uncovered exactly as you do. In spite of
what seems like an endless battle, I think we’re winning against the dark
forces of zionist brainwashing that are everywhere we
look.
Jim
April 27, 2012 - 10:59 pm
Chomsky has always been an establishment crony and cover-up man who
specializes in limited hangouts and then delivers a bad payload. He is an
expert at this, the art of deflection, and the king of sly obfuscation and the
sophistry and casuistry of confusion. His work with manufactured consent is
telling and serves as a blueprint for what he himself also does with the USG
Assassination of JFK and the USAF 911 false flag inside job/stand-down gladio style attacks with substantial help from the
elephant, their main and largest int’l cutout.
Undoubtedly cracking the JFK case is of utmost importance since it ties
directly to the same groups that did 911. If the USG conspiracy to murder JFK
had been fully exposed and prosecuted, the 911 attacks would not have occurred,
nor would have all the illegal, unConstitutional,
undeclared, unprovoked wars have been allowed like Vietnam, and the Mideast
wars which our young soldiers, our greatest national treasure, were sent into harms way for obvious corporate war profiteering.
Professor Fetzer and Dean Hartwell have nailed this subject 100% and
deserve highest commendations for exposing how high level gatekeeping of
information, facts and truth is done. There is a 100% taboo in the mainstream
mass broadcast media (6) on truthful discussions of the actual causation and
evidence of the JFK murder and the 911 attacks. Any breeches of this taboo are
followed with immediate serious sanctions of one sort or another. Many of the
secondary, alternative media which pretend to be “independent” find that
significant pressure becomes applied by various high level entities to change
publication policies, such as not covering certain stories anymore. When this
pressure is applied it is typically an indicator that too much truth is
diffusing to the public at large and there is a danger of critical mass being
reached, a situation where the public in general finally realizes that all the
Mideast wars were a sham based on a lie. Note that the shadow govt has many
assets in place that can be tapped when needed and many types of varuious pressures and even serious theats
and blackmail can be applied if neceassry. You can
bet that the shadow govt is very, very worried about the deep penetration of
the information, questions and facts now being dispensed to the common masses
about 911, resulting in far too many folks “waking up”. This proces is energized by the worsening economy with massive
unemployment and underemployment, and the Internet is now serving as the main
vehicle, often stimulating word of mouth diffusion among friends and
associates. Of course the major urban newspapers will never vacillate from
their coverup themes.
The tipping point has now been reached where comments like, “I think the
evidence shows that either the USG did the 911 attacks or knew it was coming
and did nothing”, no longer result in being labelled as a crackpot or
conspiracy nut by friends and associates or family members. This is a dangerous
lane-change for the shadow govt and truly signifies the emergence of a new
social epoch of the mindset of the masses overruling the dispensed lies of the
super-elite deviants that run the shadow govt war/intel machine. They are now
meeting frequently and considering many ways to stop this Internet diffusion
and creation of masses of “truth junkies”, and they are making many rapid moves
to do everything possible to suppress this onslaught of truth such as ordering
7.5 million rounds to murder American Citizens with, passage of the NDAA 2012
and many more such as CISPA, etc. It can now be argued that even though this
process of diffusion of truth takes time, it is very likely that it is far too
late to stop. This if true perhaps creates a dangerous situation where the
shadow govt likely feels cornered and may react by becoming highly motivated to
institute another 911 or similar false flag attack. The one positive in this is
that secrecy is breaking down and many inside the shadow govt are getting old
and losing their allegiance, just waiting and sandbagging until they just
cannot go along anymore. Many of these lower and middle level folks have been
conned but are also waking up and getting the facts straight. If the shadow
govt tries to institute another big 911 inside job, it is likely that they will
be exposed beforehand and stopped, or if they succeed, their cover stories will
quickly fail because the public is now too informed.
NavyBrat
April 27, 2012 - 11:44 pm
Jim;
While not wishing to be disparaging about your tremendous work over the
years, I suggest that we’re becoming bogged down in the minutia of the 9-11
events. The perps have long fled and are onto other criminal enterprises. The
fact that the towers fell at free-fall speed is enough to know they were
deliberately demolished – something that was clear to me even as I watched them
collapse on 9-11, over and over again. I’ve seen enough hotels in Vegas come
down in similar fashion.
Controlled demolition means the explosives had to be installed and wired
– from the inside. In the days and weeks prior to Sep.11, no-one noticed any
potential Islamic terrorists entering the towers, something that would have
certainly raised a red flag after the previous attempt in Feb.1993.
This alone suggests it was an inside job.
And then there’s WTC-7, the straw that broke the official story to
pieces.
The means, motives and how it was pulled of is all in plain sight. It’s
even on You Tube.
We know where all the leads go, and with the thousands of lawyers in
this country we have yet to find someone with enough back-bone to begin the
prosecutions. Perhaps they know who is controlling the justice system?
Most people I’ve had conversations with over the last eleven years are
a) ignorant of these things, or b) cannot accept that any of us would do
something this evil, or c) know what happened and agree with what’s going on,
Patriot Act and all.
They no longer support the Constitution and Bill of Rights because, as
they see it, criminals and minorities hide behind it and use it against the
general public. The demographic of the USA has changed a lot over the last 30
years, with the White population becoming a minority in many States, especially
in the south west. For them, democracy no longer works. They could care less
about the Constitution. It just puts one more weapon into the hands of the
Hispanics and Blacks. Much as I hate to admit it, tribalism is alive and well.
They think that by allowing the current police state and its boundless
authority, they will have protection. I’m sure many in 1930′s
Germany felt the same way – until they heard the 4am knock at the door.
With regard to Noam Chomsky, no one that intelligent can be ignorant of
the real events of 9-11.
High school physics will tell you that jet fuel will never melt
structural steel, and he must have been there for that particular lesson.
Rest assured – he knows – and being such a high profile figure, he also
knows the consequences of speaking truth to power. How many of us have that
much courage?
Semper Fi
Charlotte NC Bill
April 28, 2012 - 6:10 am
Rob Kall sounds a lot like Scott Horton at anti-war.com But these people
will be more and more deluged by people that know that the official version of
9-11 is pure lies and fiction..
Paul V. Sheridan
April 28, 2012 - 1:22 pm
Professor Fetzer / Mr. Hartwell:
When you ask the question, “Is 9/11 Research ‘Anti-Semitic’?” are you at
all concerned that you may besmirch the names of the following individuals:
Oded Ellner*
Paul Kurzberg
Sivan Kurzberg
Omer Marmari
Yaron Shmuel
Mr. Bugliosi, by virtue of his non-response to
my letter asking that he indict, prosecute and convict Osama bin Laden,
apparently thought you might:
http://links.veronicachapman.com/Sheridan2Bugliosi1.pdf
Given his experience/reputation for prosecuting dead guys (LHO), perhaps
Mr. Bugliosi will pursue that legal fame-serving
option now, given that OBL is now REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY
dead . . . at least according to the “Left-Wing” gatekeepers that have the
populace jumping to their other foot (where their other brain is located?)
under the current “Yes We Can” routine.
(I thought Mr. Hartwell, and for that matter the entire Bar, might
relate to my Bugliosi letter . . . apparently not.)
* See page 5 of 15
Jim Fetzer
April 28, 2012 - 1:33 pm
How can the truth be besmirching the
names of “the Dancing Israelis”? I talk about them in “9/11 and the Neo-Con
Agenda” and in “Is 9/11 research ‘anti-Semitic’?” We know a lot about them,
where you can find the interview on Israeli TV archived on YouTube by YOU:
The Dancing Israelis and the Mainstream
Media Lackey – YouTube
58 sec – Oct 6, 2011
Uploaded by PVSheridan2
The Dancing Israelis and the Mainstream
Media Lackey. PVSheridan2. Subscribe Subscribed …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZJKy6jAXNA
So tell me more about this business
with Vince. You wrote to him to suggest that he prosecute Osama bin Laden, who
had nothing to do with 9/11 and has been dead since around 15 December 2001?
Please tell me more. This sounds rather fascinting,
indeed. Thanks!
Paul V. Sheridan
April 28, 2012 - 1:41 pm
The following definition may help,
and specifying (further/implictly) that such was not
directed at you and/or at Mr. Hartwell:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sarcasm
The fact that Bugliosi
refused to respond (despite several follow-up tel
calls [not from aboard a 757 using a cell phone/tower circa 2001, I might add])
may indeed indicate that he needed no such definition or specification, etc.
Etc.
Jim Fetzer
April 28, 2012 - 2:22 pm
Nice! Yes, I appreciate
sarcasm. You have made several nice points. Thanks for the clarification. When
I discovered you had posted that video, of course, I realized that you were not
being serious, where, of course, there are many more indications of Israeli
complicity, for those who know the work of Alan Sabrosky,
Christopher Bollyn, and web site such as
rediscover911.com.
haroldsmith
April 28, 2012 - 1:49 pm
Speaking about the “victims’ families”, what I want to know is: what the
hell is wrong with the family of the late Bruce Ivins? Did they get paid off?
Did they get threatened? Did they get paid off and threatened?
jeannonkralj
April 28, 2012 - 3:50 pm
I am seeing the Jewish revolutionary spirit throughout all of this.
I found it interesting that Dr. Fetzer said Noam Chomsky’s big idea
about syntax is wrong, and I think was said to be easily provably wrong. I
never could see why people paid much attention to Chomsky. He came to town and
gave a series of talks. I could see he was speaking in circles and rhetorically
tap dancing. But hey, he was Lefty and he was trendy. Chomsky is wrong about
9-11 too, but this kind of wrong is more closely related to lying.
“In other words, she (Ellen Mariani) supported
the basic structure of the official theory that “terrorists” hijacked the
planes and killed the passengers. ”
Yes, and Ellen Mariani’s last attorney was the
well-known Phil Berg who supposedly is going to get to the bottom of the
origins of Barack Obama and the question of Obama’s eligibility to be POTUS. Mariani is a fake, an agent, and now I am beginning to
think Phil Berg knows all that too and he is a big fake too. Mariani, and even Berg on the Obama matter, are fading off
the scene now, just as Dr. Steven Jones has faded off the scene.
“supported the basic structure of the official theory” – Now that is
something I am very sensitive to. Many many people
who purport to be seeking and exposing 9-11 truth can be seen to support the
official theory. Dr. Steven Jones and his entire spin-off groups and people all
seem to support the official story. They do this by avoiding certain aspects of
9-11 altogether, or switching our attention here and there and running out the
clock. The whole vocabulary of 9-11 needs to be exposed. Here are some words
that subtly support the official story or at least to some degree hide the
truth: collapse, attack, hijackers, planes, passengers, pods, victims, came
down, and fall down.
I think the stories of the “dancing Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems
white van with explosives” support the official story. They wow us with some
aspect of the 9-11 news that seems to be implicating Israel, but they look a
lot like contrived or planted false leads with the “patsies” knowingly or
unknowingly involved in the contrivance. There are many stronger arguments for
implicating those of the Jewish revolutionary spirit in 9-11.
I still say some work should be done in setting up a database and record
on every alleged plan passenger, and every alleged victim of the Twin Towers.
Do the same checks on each of them, including checking the 9-11 Victim’s Comp
Fund, Social Security Death Index, “Survivors Fund” etc…
I gathering the data and analyzing the data in such a way would make the idea
of no plane passengers and very few deaths of people in the Towers seem much
plausible. I personally think it is highly plausible right now but it this kind
of data would make it more plausible to many more people, I think that would
move us much closer to the full truth of 9-11. Notice I just say truth and not
justice. The USA to me had one great thing going for it and that was the rule
of law. The rule of law is gone now and I do not see how we can ever have it
again.
The entire world is in an economic meltdown of catastrophic proportions,
including the USA. People may not be able to face the truth of the JFK
assassination or 9-11, but they are, in their gut, facing the prospects of very
very bad times for the USA including the end of
everything that ever seemed good about the USA. People are aware, but see need
to not acknowledge it or talk about it, but the USA and the world is right now
taking a giant step toward a hell-on-earth death and slavery system for all. We
all are seeing, even those of us who can’t face up to these things openly, that
the internationalist bankers, banksters, are running this show and have been
for a very long time, and those folks are of the Jewish revolutionary spirit.
In light of all this, we who want to keep searching for and exposing
truths related to 9-11 and other like major events look petty and irrelevant or
much worse for seeing the necessity of pointing out the Jewish revolutionary
spirit in all of this end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it Evil. The whole idea of
truth is on the chopping block. That to me signals the real end of any basis of
hope in this world system. But then that’s not where my hope lies.
Paul V. Sheridan
April 28, 2012 - 5:42 pm
“I think the stories of the “dancing
Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems white van with explosives” support the
official story. They wow us with some aspect of the 9-11 news that seems to be
implicating Israel, but they look a lot like contrived or planted false leads
with the “patsies” knowingly or unknowingly involved in the contrivance. There
are many stronger arguments for implicating those of the Jewish revolutionary
spirit in 9-11.”
“Seems to be”? “Stories”? Uh huh. So,
when those individuals go on Israeli national tv and say so, that means what
exactly? Indeed, they had no “seems to be” about it; they openly declared, “We
were sent to document the event.” I know of no, say, Iraqi or Lebonese, or Syrian, or Egyptian, or Libyan, and certainly
not Palestinians that made such OPEN statements confirming foreknowledge of the
murdering of thousands
And those “9-11 news” reports that ”
look a lot like contrived or planted false leads.” We must suppose you are
referring to the all those reports of such on, say, Fox, and ABC, and NBC, and
CNN, and GMA . . . these major outlets making sure the “contrived or planted
false leads” took hold; have we go that correct?
And then in the same post we have, “The
whole idea of truth is on the chopping block.” Uh huh, could be, but with
who/whom exactly?
Then again, as a possible answer to
that last question, this part, ” The rule of law is gone now and I do not see
how we can ever have it again.” Well . . . ok . . . should we asking for help
on the former issue from those that have a predilection for the latter
fatalism, etc.? Thanks for the heads up on who/whom not to approach, etc.
“Jewish revolutionary spirit”? Ala
Larry Silverstein perhaps?
Garibaldi
April 29, 2012 - 9:34 am
More support for jeannonkralj’s “official” story-
http://www.scribd.com/doc/65346841/Wayne-Madsen-Israeli-Art-Students-and-Movers-Story
Paul V. Sheridan
April 29, 2012 - 3:09 pm
Madsen? Well, only when it
suits him. To the extent that is does, he too is a gatekeeper. Look at his
regurgitation of the standard official rhetoric:
“The presence in the United
States of a number of young Israelis, most of whom had specialized military and
intelligence backgrounds, in the months prior to 911 is a subject that has
received inadequate attention from the major U.S. media and government investigators.”
“Young Israelis”? Versus what? Standard
news media verbal kool aid. If you search the term ‘Mosssad’ on the webpage you get zero hits, etc. But his
babbling about “Al Qaeda” is laughable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA
and it’s not like Madsen is
unaware of these RUDIMENTARY fact, he is! So what’s his excuse.
So I am not sure where you’re
going vs. jeannonkralj:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVdAOmUduEQ&feature=related
His fourth para is also
laughable: Where in the heck does Jones declare the official story that jet
fuel melted this or that? Because THAT is the official story associated with
the word list that jeannonkralj rambles in that para
(without ANY references of course, just blah blah blah.) And who EXACTLY are
Jones’ “spin off groups”?? NIST perhaps?!
This is NOT to say that I agree
with all of Jones’ position . . . I need to go there (qualify that) because
all-too-often the REAL issue in 9/11 truth internet COMMENTING is deployment of
the polemic, and one-upmanship, NOT pursuit of the plain truth . . .
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/06/14/gordon-duff-dancing-israeli-film-studios-present-faked-attack-videos/
Garibaldi
April 30, 2012 - 10:09 pm
Sorry you missed my
satirical point, Paul. It’s an old article, but for it’s
time, it’s still one of the best all-around sources for a literal mountain of
irrefutable evidence for “Israeli” involvement, which also happens to include
the now-declassified DEA Report. Regardless of all his Al Qaeda horseshit and
countless other foibles, the sheer volume of material on the “Dancing Israelis”
and “Urban Moving Systems” makes it all but impossible to use to “support the
official story” of “jeannonkralj. See where I was
going now? Simple enough?
Your “Pharisees of the
Vatican” piece was exceptional, by the way.
budracer63
April 29, 2012 - 6:25 pm
Jim
I was never a fan of your research before…..but since you have become
“aware” of certain aspects of 911/JFK and become enlightened to true aspects of
these crimes and changed your tune, I have changed my mind about your articles.
I now, for the most part, enjoy your articles and can see you are on the right
path of absolute truth. Especially when you discovered the AEP911 Truth movement
isn’t everything you thought it to be. While they have discovered and published
great things about the flights/non-flights of 911 they are indeed a limited
hangout. Yes, there were no planes on 911. Never were. Evidence points more
towards winged cruise missiles then holograms. (holograms don’t make sound) One
more thing the perps would have to “add” to their fakery that day.
For your readers to be enlightened. Mossad had a part in 911 but to
blame them entirely is mere stupidity.
They are just a part of the puzzle. Just so you all know – the puzzle
has been completed. All who were involved have been identified and are going to
be arrested. You may think this sounds absurd, but we shall see in the coming
months. They will ALL be charged with nuclear holocaust/crimes against
humanity/mass murder/treason/war crimes and more. Suicide will be their only
escape. Keep watching……May 5 -20 will be a very significant time for us and May
– June shall become our redemption.
Love and light!
Jim Fetzer
April 29, 2012 - 6:46 pm
Well, I THINK I appreciate those kind
words. Yes, Mossad could not have stood down the US Air Force or arranged a
phony attack on the Pentagon; but I suspect that the destruction of the Twin
Towers was “outsourced” to them, because it is difficult for Americans to take
the lives of thousands of other Americans, but for the Mossad, as in the case
of the USS Liberty, it would have been “a piece of cake”!
jeannonkralj
April 30, 2012 - 7:03 am
I just wanted to explain a bit more about what I meant when I posted…
“I think the stories of the “dancing Israelis” and “Urban Moving Systems
white van with explosives” support the official story. They wow us with some
aspect of the 9-11 news that seems to be implicating Israel, but they look a
lot like contrived or planted false leads with the “patsies” knowingly or
unknowingly involved in the contrivance. There are many stronger arguments for
implicating those of the Jewish revolutionary spirit in 9-11.”
I thank Garibaldi for the link to the 75 page document by Madsen but
agree with Sheridan’s observations that that that Madsen article subtly
supports the official story which Madsen knows to be false.
Not sure exactly what Sheridan’s or Garibaldi’s objections or
supportiveness is toward my comments but let me clarify about the Urban Moving
Systems and the dancing Israeli news items.
Those two stories received remarkably wide coverage in the mainstream
media (MSM), which is peculiar in and of itself, even though they were quickly
dropped from the radar screen.
The two stories are meant to be accepted on their face, at face value.
So we have the MSM showing us how some dancing Israelis knew about 9-11 in
advance. Ho Hum. That’s big news? Israelis knowing about 9-11 in advance? This
still supports the official story of what the nature of 9-11 actually was. (attack
by Islamic hijackers using commercial jet liners). Yes, the dancing Israelis
did go back to Israel and we have a record of their saying on Israeli TV news
outlet that they were in the US to document the event, thereby admitting
foreknowledge. All of that is true and happened on the surface, but I still
contend that this is not the strongest item to show that the Mossad or “the
Zionists” or “the Israelis” were part of those making up the perpetrators. They
were, but this story is obviously meant to manipulate the American TV viewing
public and to be accepted at face value. The actual facts and verified evidence
regarding this story was not arrived at by Madsen and we do not yet have it and
may never have it.
I take the same position on the van with the explosives in it. We are
meant to take this at face value and sort of believe that the MSM is finally
thankfully giving us some truth about Israel’s involvement in 9-11. What?! We
are supposed to believe that some explosives cooked up in a warehouse and
stuffed in a van were truly believed by those Israeli “art students” to take
down the Towers?!
Yes, there is probably much truth to these young Israelis in these two
stories being somehow part of a Mossad operation on US soil, but we are not to
have any documented facts. We are only to have surface, face value, stories
pushed by the MSM.
Remember all these young Israelis got off scott
free and quickly all got to go back home to Israel.
I just think there are better, stronger, more documented ways to show
that Israel and the Mossad or the “Zionists”, those I prefer to call those of
the Jewish revolutionary spirit because I find the terms “Jews”, Zionists, and
the “Israelis” inadequate and inaccurate.
I think we need to shine the light on the Mossad’s operations in the
USA, especially their connection with AIPAC and ADL, American Enterprise
Institute and a host of other groups in the USA that send money to Israel and
therefore the Mossad all the time. USA weapons manufacturers, corporatists, are
also connected to these groups so we can see how deep this rabbit hole goes. We
need to document all this and point to this, not point to two stories of
dancing Israelis and white vans full of fertilizer bombs.
Jim Fetzer
April 30, 2012 - 7:43 am
Jeannon is one of the most astute
students of 9/11 and its coverage that I have ever known. In this instance, I
have some reservations about her take on “the Dancing Israelis” and Urban
Moving Systems, which, I would agree, are only the tip of the iceberg related
to the involvement of dedicated Zionists to promoting and arranging the events
of 9/11, which have benefited Israel far more than any other party.
My take on these stories is that they
appeared before the government and its intel ops were able to clamp down on
coverage of 9/11, which means that, as I see it, they simply slipped through
the cracks. The five Israelis (whom I take to have been Mossad operatives) were
held for 71 days until their release was directed by an assistant to Attorney
General John Ashcroft and returned to Isreal to
appear on TV.
That person was Michael Chertoff, who
was not only a joint US-Israeli citizen but also would become the head of the
newly created Department of Homeland Security, which has recently requisitioned
450,000,000 rounds of .40 caliber hollow-point ammunition, which is not even
permissible for use during warfare by the Geneva Conventions. That is more than
one round for every man, woman and child in the USA today.
There are may
excellent resources on Israeli complicity in 9/11, including “Israel did 9/11:
All the proof in the world”, found many places, including
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/07/28/israel-did-911-all-the-proof-in-the-world/
If that one does not upload quickly, try
http://www.whale.to/b/israel_did_911.html Or http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367
Or many other websites.
The very transfer of the WTC into
private hands was suspicious on its face. Firing the security company and
insuring against terrorist attacks were also notable events. The Twin Towers
had problems with asbestos, which would have been enormously expensive to
remove, and there are many reports of tenancy problems, where they could well
be viewed as extraordinary “white elephants” as business investments.
Books by Christopher Bollyn, SOLVING 9/11,
http://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book, and articles by Alan Sabrosky, published here at VT and elsewhere, offer
substantial support for the conclusion that the Mossad was profoundly involved.
But 9/11 could not have been done without complicity from the administration,
especially to arrange the stand-down of the US Air Force and the attack on the
Pentagon itself.
Almost everyone here knows that Donald
Rumsfeld announced $2.3 trillion to be missing from the Pentagon’s budget the
day before 9/11, when Dov Zakheim
was its Controller and also owned a company that produced remote-control
devices for aircraft, which, I believe, was the original plan for hitting the
towers before it turned out that no real plane could penetrate those buildings
in violation of Newton’s laws.
That meant the planes had to be faked,
either by simulating them using cruise missiles cloaked in holograms or
sophisticated holograms, in the case of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower, or
perhaps an arrangement of four UAVs, in the case of the North. See “Planes/No
Planes and ‘video fakery’” and “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The
Case of Rob Balsamo”, here at VT, for those who want to know more.
Not everything that Bollyn
endorses appears to be correct, since nano-thermite
does not have the explosive capacity to pulverized concrete or to decimate
steel. It is a principle of materials science that the detonation velocity of
an explosive must equal the speed of sound in a material to do that, which is
3,200 m/s for concrete and 6,100 m/s for steel, where the fastest nano-thermite speed is only 895 m/s.
We know that our media is controlled,
where even William Colby told us so. Some of us who have spoken up about
Israeli complicity in 9/11, including Alan Sabrosky,
Gordon Duff, Kevin Barrett and I have been targeted by the ADL as
“anti-Semites”,
http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/911_conspiracy_theories_report.htm?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_3
even though the evidence we are right is extensive and compelling.
Paul V. Sheridan
April 30, 2012 - 11:41 am
This post clearly indicates that you do
not know how the “game” is played. Your notion (not stated, but unconsciously
implied in-buckets) that the five thugs were supposed to be arrested, and such
subsequently splattered, according to you anyway, by the so-called news media
has no basis in fact or technique. And this is REAL SIMPLE stuff . . . your
position, repeatedly, that the “dancing” portion of this news-planting (i.e.
open celebration while Americans died across the river in my hometown) is
somehow supportive of the “official story” borders on dementia.
And of course, as if on-cue like
Madsen, you parrot the media cool aid term “young Israelis.” Young compared to
what, the sailors aboard the USS Liberty. Rachel Corrie?
Or perhaps next you’ll claim that the
murdering of Furkan Dogan was also “pushed by the
MSM” or that he was murdered by “young Israelis”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiCGD793na8
Standard cool aid crap. Pathetic.
As I already said, just BLAH BLAH BLAH,
no links or references . . . again . . . and again.
E.G. “pushed by the MSM”? Name ONE! And
put up a link that supports your blah blah blah of that absurd position.
Are you actually trying to have us
believe that the sayanim Bill O’Reilly “pushed” this-or-that about the
celebration?
Perhaps next you’ll claim
that the Bush White House did a press conference “pushing” the celebration
(including the candle lighting in the parking lot), and then the so-called news
media went into “pushing” this-or-that.
Tom Brokaw perhaps?
Who EXACTLY are YOU claiming “pushed”
this-or-that about the five thugs that were arrested? Are you saying that the
Bergen County Police were also “pushing” this-or-that? (Note: I already used
that ‘exactly’ term above.)
This nonsense, “Remember all these
young Israelis got off scot free and quickly all got to go back home to
Israel.” What makes you think we need a reminder from you? Or perhaps you
actually believe that we need your tutorage on how the so-called news media “manipulates”
this-or-that AFTER the fact.
But here is where you over-reached:
“What?! We are supposed to believe that
some explosives cooked up in a warehouse and stuffed in a van were truly
believed by those Israeli “art students” to take down the Towers?!”
NOT ONE SOUL I KNOW OF PRIOR TO YOUR
PATHETIC POST/CLAIM HAS EVER DIS-INFO-ED SOMETHING THAT PREPOSTEROUS. Next,
you’ll claim that the so-called news media also “pushed” your dis-info. (No one
has ever made your claim that the explosives in the van were part of a plan to
“take down the Towers.” Except you. Besides, which towers?! The ones that were
already smoldering in black smoke and already part of the aircraft circus act
that had already been observed by the celebration? Are you claiming, now, that
the “young Israelis” were on their way over to Manhattan to finish the job, or
something utterly stupid like that??)
There is nothing incremental in your
diversionary rant, “not the strongest item to show that the Mossad or “the
Zionists” or “the Israelis” were part of those making up the perpetrators.” Who
said it was? Hence your strawman routine goes nowhere.
The real point here? Ultimately, you’ll
claim that we didn’t notice YOUR gatekeeping. You haven’t fooled anyone.
Jim Fetzer
April 30, 2012 - 1:56 pm
Paul, I think this post is
over-the-top. Jeannon is an excellent student and has made many extremely good
posts in the past on the 9/11 Scholars Forum at http://911scholars.ning.com and
“The Real Deal” archives at http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com. I do not think you
have read her right and I am confident that she will add to what she has said
before. But she is most definitely on the side of 9/11 truth, regardless of whether
she has it exactly right in every respect, which I dare say can also be said of
the rest of us.
Garibaldi
April 30, 2012 - 11:14 pm
Does this “Final Word” “support the
official story” too, Jeannon?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNGPFVOYmhg&list=UUaMH8-gD-ZYyC93vY6GlnCQ&index=31&feature=plpp_video
(-Careful what you say, it’s “gpduf’s favorite video! )
jeannonkralj
April 30, 2012 - 10:17 am
Thank you, Dr. Fetzer, for your informative reply and for your kind
words, but the fact is you are the astute one, not me.
I just wanted to comment that Christopher Bollyn
does support the thermite gang’s theory. I guess over the past few years, I
have more and more conflated the thermite theory with the “official story” of
9-11. I think the “official story” was subtly changed in meaning by maybe more
than just the thermite gang over the years. The “official story” or the thing
that is currently being fought against is switched and changed but all of this
is very subtle and almost imperceptible
You and Mark Hightower have shown us how bankrupt the thermite theory is
but there are still lots of well-known “truhters” who
still uphold it as truth, even in the face of yours and Mr. Hightower’s strong
irrefutable facts. These well known truthers seem to
put out a lot of very good researched information, yet their carefulness and
respect for facts seems to leave them on the subject of thermite. I guess I
have a bit of a problem with that.
Jim Fetzer
April 30, 2012 - 10:27 am
For those unfamiliar with the articles
by Mark Hightower and me to which Jeannon refers,
“Has nanothermite
been oversold to the 9/11 Truth community?”
http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2011/05/has-nanothermite-been-oversold-to-911.html
“Is ’9/11 Truth’ based upon a false
theory?”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/17/is-911-truth-based-upon-a-false-theory/
“Nanothermite:
If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/27/nanothermite-if-it-doesnt-fit-you-must-acquit/
For two more articles that tend to
confirm what she is staying about some groups,
“The Debate over 9/11 Truth: Kevin Ryan
vs. Jim Fetzer”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/06/the-debate-over-911-truth-kevin-ryan-vs-jim-fetzer/
Steve Fahrney, “Confessions of a 9/11
Truth Activist”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/22/confessions-of-a-911-truth-activist-2/
Garibaldi
April 30, 2012 - 10:44 pm
Why in Hell does everyone always fall into the same bottomless pit of
pushing any one particular single modus operandi for the 9-11 demos as being
mutually exclusive, such as thermite, nano or nada,
for example? Why couldn’t the bastards have simply used EVERY LAST TOOL in
their toolkit, along with throwing everything INCLUDING the kitchen sink at it?
DUH?
jeannonkralj
May 1, 2012 - 6:11 am
Garibaldi, I and Dr. Fetzer and most
others around here really are not pushing one particular single modus operandi.
As far as what destroyed the Towers or what “hit” the Pentagon, we are all
agnostics. We just do not know at this point, but we do see value in exploring
all “theories” and weighing each on their merits. Some theories can be thrown
out. The presence of thermite purportedly found at Ground Zero if true is odd
but it is a legal issue and Dr. Fetzer’s and Mark Hightower’s investigations
and findings so far tell us that the “thermite” theory must be ruled out in
terms of the agent that is responsible for the destruction of the Twin Towers.
The legal issues and investigations are really not happening in the “9-11 truth
movement” at this time and really have not much happened at all over the last
few years, though there are some “truthers” who happen to be attorneys.
Attorneys have good logical reasoning skills, such as Dean Hartwell in this
article, so those skills can be applied to various aspects of 9-11. I am
beginning to think that documenting what happened in regard to alleged
“planes”, “crashes”, crash sites, “passengers” are much more fruitful toward
breaking the “9-11 code” than endless inquiries into the agent or agents that
may have destroyed the Towers.
The more we study every aspect of 9-11,
the more we see what a very sophisticated operation it was. It took years in
planning and it employed and included the most sophisticated psychological
operations of the CIA in mass mind control.
We can hope that some real insider on
9-11 will come forward and give us a big boost toward breaking the 9-11 code.
Garibaldi
May 1, 2012 - 7:23 am
“I am beginning to think that documenting what happened in regard to
alleged “planes”, “crashes”, crash sites, “passengers” are much more fruitful
toward breaking the “9-11 code” than endless inquiries into the agent or agents
that may have destroyed the Towers”.
Sorry, Jeannon, couldn’t disagree with you more. IMCO, (in my concerted
opinion), that entire statement is ass-backwards, and what we need are not
endless “INQUIRIES into the agent or agents that may have” done such and such,
but endless INTERROGATIONS of the agent or agents that really DID do it.
Somebody sign up Duff for the job. He has a great resume for that sort
of thing. You won’t find any concrete answers to your endless minutiae of
hypothetical modus operandi, or ever “break the 9-11 code”, until somebody with
suitable field experience “breaks” one of these rat bastards in a sweat bath.
Jim Fetzer
May 1, 2012 - 7:40 am
Well, Garibaldi, if the media were not
covering up, if the government were not complicit, and if the courts were not
corrupt, we would not be in the difficult position of having (what I consider
to be) overwhelming proof that the neo-cons and the Mossad did 9/11 to promote
a political agenda but still being hamstrung from doing anything serious about
it. Several responsible lawsuits were launched by Judy Wood, in one instance,
and by Morgan Reynolds, in another, which were dismissed by judges who appear
to have deep Zionist commitments. Egad! Even our own Supreme Court does not
appear to be one that would be responsible about 9/11.
We need to know as much as we can in as
minute detail as we can to have the firmest possible footing in attempting to
advance the cause of truth and justice about 9/11. I believe that an
international court of inquiry may well be our most promising avenue of
approach. As a step in that direction, I have organized The Vancouver Hearings,
15-17 June 2012, where the current program can be found at
http://www.911vancouverhearings.com. We have shown nanothermite
cannot possibly have blown the towers apart, which you can read about in “Is
’9/11 Truth’ based upon a false theory?” and “Nanothermite:
If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit”, VT.
And I agree with Jeannon that exposing
the fabrication of the four purported “crash sites” appears to be by far the
most direct and straightforward way to convey to the American people how this
was done. See “Planes/No Planes and ‘video fakery’”, for one, “The official
account of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon is a fantasy”, for another, “The
Passenger Paradox: What happened to Flight 93″, for a
third, and my personal favorite–which make make the
issues even more explicit, “Reason and Rationality in Public Debate: The Case
of Rob Balsamo”. Check out at least the first and the last and tell me if you
don’t agree with us that this looks promising.
jeannonkralj
May 1, 2012 - 10:29 am
Sure, it would be great to just do some special kind of “interrogations”
done by the right person so that we can just find out who did it.
Hasn’t happened in almost 11 years. Not sure any entity that would do a
new investigation is not controlled, so I do not see great potential for an
international investigation.
I think we can narrow down who did and who did not, who could not have,
done it by
–showing what definitely was not done, what did not happen,
–showing from the laws of science what is possible and what is
impossible,
–showing who will acknowledge these truths shown and
–showing who will not acknowledge these facts.
We have to apply the old rule–who had the means, the motive and the
opportunity.
By ruling out a lot of the obvious lies and falsehoods and rabbit
trails, we have greatly narrowed down our field of choices.
I think “the neocons” did it. They had the means. They had the motive,
though we may disagree on what that motive is. They had the opportunity being
infested in the top levels positions of every branch of our federal government.
The Mossad thing is something I need a lot more information about. I just am
not ready to say the “Mossad did it” until I have a clearer picture of to what
degree the Mossad operates in the USA.
It is useful to illuminate all we know about “the neocons” and describe
them as fully as we possible can.
Narrow descriptions and defintions would be
saying the neocons are about Israel first, about “Zion”, and about the
“Zionists” or “the Jews.”
This is much bigger than all of those ideas. This game is for ALL the
marbles.
Jim Fetzer
May 4, 2012 - 5:07 am
Yesterday, I had an “Ed Schultz” moment. I called into the show for the
third time at about 11:25 AM/CT, where we listen to Ed over 92.1 FM in Madison.
He had been talking about the “Mission Accomplished” fiasco, where I knew why
it had turned out so poorly because of my interviews with Yvonne Wachter, the
mother of USAF Capt. Chris Wachter, which I had published on OpEdNews
coincidentally as “The Mission Accomplished Fiasco”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_james_fe_070730_the__22mission_accompl.htm
Thursday, August 2, 2007
The “Mission Accomplished” Fiasco: Saddam was dead, but killing him was
illegal, Scholars maintain
(2 comments) The evidence suggests the US was able to kill Saddam
Hussein within three weeks of our intervention in Iraq, but that his
assassination violated Executive Orders signed by three presidents. Plans for a
celebration of “Mission Accomplished” had to be drastically revised, since it
would make Bush vulnerable to international criticism. Saddam was ‘resurrected’
by means of a double, who was captured, tried, and presumably hanged.
and on VT as “George W. Bush: The ‘Mission Accomplished’ Fiasco”,
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/20/george-w-bush-the-mission-accomplished-fiasco/
So the screener listened to my summary of what I wanted to day and held
me for 30 minutes when I was finally on with Ed and made the following remarks
(to the best of my recollection):
“Ed, the ‘Mission Accomplished’ event was originally planned to announce
that USAF Capt. Chris Wachter had taken out Saddam Hussein, his two sons and
around 60 members of his general staff at a restaurant in the suburbs of
Baghdad with his B-1 bomber.
“When he returned to the base, he was lionized, put on CNN, and awarded
the Distinguished Flying Cross. Someone in the administration must have
realized that three presidents–Reagan, Carter, and Ford–had signed executive
orders prohibiting the assassination of heads of foreign states.
“He was brought back to Washington and told that, while they admired his
flying skills, officially Saddam Hussein had gotten away, where they used one
of his doubles for the trial.”
Ed sounded genuinely excited and said, “Wow! I want you to stay over to
talk more after the break. This may be one of those ‘Paul Harvey’ moments where
‘Now you know the rest of the story!”
I thought that sounded pretty good and was not fazed when he initially
turned to a conversation with Alan Grayson, who is running for Congress in
Florida. After they spoke for 20 minutes or so and after more breaks for
commercials, he began taking calls from other parties. I naively stayed on my
cell phone for another hour and fifteen minutes before I “got the message”.
A friend of mine who runs a restaurant here in Madison had tried to call
when I was waiting to get back on, so I returned his call and told him of my
experience. He said that, when Ed had visited Madison not long ago, he had spoken
with his producer, who had told him that they were not into “New World Order”
issues like 9/11, which may explain it.
I believe that, while Ed wanted to continue our conversation, during
which I was going to explain how Saddam was using British-made Jaguar cell
phones, which enabled the US Command to track him, that Capt. Wachter had taken
him out with two JDAM bombs, and that Dick Cheney had even been quoted in
NEWSWEEK, as I recall, saying his lifeless body had been pulled from the
rubble, his producer cut him off and told him to move along.
What this means is that The Ed Schultz Show is yet another left-wing
“gatekeeping” program, along with that of Amy Goodman and others we have been
discussing here. William Colby, former Director of the CIA, told us that, “The
Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major
media.” It saddens me to think that that apparently includes Ed Schultz.